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	<title>Comments on: Saving is good, not bad, for American economy</title>
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		<title>By: February Market Anarchist Blog Carnival &#124; Libertarian Anarchy</title>
		<link>http://www.blagnet.net/2009/02/01/saving-is-good-not-bad-for-american-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-1303</link>
		<dc:creator>February Market Anarchist Blog Carnival &#124; Libertarian Anarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Petrie also  presents Saving is good, not bad, for American economy posted at Blagnet.net. John discusses the ecognorance of Keynesian pump-priming and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blagnet.net &#187; Mark Skousen on gross output</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blagnet.net &#187; Mark Skousen on gross output</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reader kerrjac commented on my recent post, Saving is good, not bad, for American economy with this tidbit about the opinions of economist Mark Skousen. Responding to my comment that many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kerrjac</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerrjac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve heard from multiple sources that 70% of the United States’ GDP each year is consumption&quot;

Recently I&#039;ve been reading economist Mark Skousen, who has countered the popular notion that we live in a consumer-driven economy. Although statistics like that are technically true, Skousen argues, they&#039;re more tautology than fact. This is because the calculation of GDP largely consists of consumed goods. It doesn&#039;t include savings &amp; investment. GDP is a product of the Keyens school, along with the undue focus on consumption. Both are still around today. And just as Keyens didn&#039;t care much for savings &amp; investments, neither does the GDP.

Skousen has been pushing for a metric called &quot;Gross Output&quot; (see http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/0104go.html), which accounts for &quot;intermediate causes&quot; in production (e.g., savings &amp; investments, R&amp;D) along with consumption. Looking at gross output, he estimates that consumption only accounts for about 1/3 of our economy at most, and that patterns in consumption tend to lag Gross Output, which is just what we see with the stock market: If it dips at one time, consumption/retail sectors dip 9 or so months later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve heard from multiple sources that 70% of the United States’ GDP each year is consumption&#8221;</p>
<p>Recently I&#8217;ve been reading economist Mark Skousen, who has countered the popular notion that we live in a consumer-driven economy. Although statistics like that are technically true, Skousen argues, they&#8217;re more tautology than fact. This is because the calculation of GDP largely consists of consumed goods. It doesn&#8217;t include savings &amp; investment. GDP is a product of the Keyens school, along with the undue focus on consumption. Both are still around today. And just as Keyens didn&#8217;t care much for savings &amp; investments, neither does the GDP.</p>
<p>Skousen has been pushing for a metric called &#8220;Gross Output&#8221; (see <a href="http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/0104go.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.mskousen.com/Books/Articles/0104go.html)</a>, which accounts for &#8220;intermediate causes&#8221; in production (e.g., savings &amp; investments, R&amp;D) along with consumption. Looking at gross output, he estimates that consumption only accounts for about 1/3 of our economy at most, and that patterns in consumption tend to lag Gross Output, which is just what we see with the stock market: If it dips at one time, consumption/retail sectors dip 9 or so months later.</p>
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		<title>By: foutsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>foutsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!  Good info and good people with a healthy since of humor, I&#039;ll be returning often.  For the record, I am not a fan of Blago.  My parents have the misfortune of living in Illinois, and they tell me the favorite nickname for him there is Bagosh*t.

And thanks for the link, I&#039;ve got it bookmarked, I just don&#039;t know how to label it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  Good info and good people with a healthy since of humor, I&#8217;ll be returning often.  For the record, I am not a fan of Blago.  My parents have the misfortune of living in Illinois, and they tell me the favorite nickname for him there is Bagosh*t.</p>
<p>And thanks for the link, I&#8217;ve got it bookmarked, I just don&#8217;t know how to label it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhh, I&#039;ve never seen that comic before. I just like using the word blag. On that note, though, isn&#039;t it a good thing we didn&#039;t choose Blagoblag.blag for our wobsite&#039;s URL? That definitely would have been misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh, I&#8217;ve never seen that comic before. I just like using the word blag. On that note, though, isn&#8217;t it a good thing we didn&#8217;t choose Blagoblag.blag for our wobsite&#8217;s URL? That definitely would have been misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Kel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@foutsc:

As co-proprietor of this blag, I should apologize for the misleading name. Indeed, John and I picked out the name for this site before Blago became a national sensation, and thus have no association with him or his awesome hair. Instead, we actually got our name from here: http://www.xkcd.com/181/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@foutsc:</p>
<p>As co-proprietor of this blag, I should apologize for the misleading name. Indeed, John and I picked out the name for this site before Blago became a national sensation, and thus have no association with him or his awesome hair. Instead, we actually got our name from here: <a href="http://www.xkcd.com/181/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xkcd.com/181/</a></p>
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		<title>By: foutsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>foutsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful article.  I agree with you.  

Proof that government is sick and stupid and has no business telling anyone what to do:  

They recommend loosening up credit so people can borrow and spend more.  In other words, give the drunk another bottle so we can continue on the same destructive path that got us to this catastrophe in the first place.  Pass the crack pipe, people minds are starting to uncloud...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thoughtful article.  I agree with you.  </p>
<p>Proof that government is sick and stupid and has no business telling anyone what to do:  </p>
<p>They recommend loosening up credit so people can borrow and spend more.  In other words, give the drunk another bottle so we can continue on the same destructive path that got us to this catastrophe in the first place.  Pass the crack pipe, people minds are starting to uncloud&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: foutsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>foutsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fan of the disgraced former governor of Illinois, I protest the misleading name of this web site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fan of the disgraced former governor of Illinois, I protest the misleading name of this web site!</p>
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