Comments on: Discrimination is usuallly fine! http://www.blagnet.net/2009/04/21/discrimination-is-usuallly-fine/ Discussing Libertarian Philosophy Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:49:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: John http://www.blagnet.net/2009/04/21/discrimination-is-usuallly-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-1403 John Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:05:37 +0000 http://www.blagnet.net/2009/04/21/discrimination-is-usuallly-fine/#comment-1403 But the laws shouldn't exist, so an even more moral position is to get rid of the law that discriminated against gays to begin with. It's better for the law to treat everyone equally than discriminatorily, but for a government (in this instance, state governments) to apply this "fix" to its bad laws reminds me of its infinite loop of attempts to fix economic problems caused by its intervention with more intervention. No, I don't foresee an infinite loop of marriage laws, so it isn't quite the same. I'd rather have equal marriage laws than unequal marriage laws in the time being before we can repeal all marriage laws, but the latter is the true libertarian goal, not the former. Yes, libertarians are excellent at coming up with situations that will never exist in our lifetimes and suggesting solutions that will never be applied... Another bad type of self-described libertarian is the type who wants the central government to effect its supposedly libertarian goals across the entire nation when local and state governments won't comply. Like those who want a Constitutional amendment for gay marriage instead of changing/repealing the laws of their state. But the laws shouldn’t exist, so an even more moral position is to get rid of the law that discriminated against gays to begin with. It’s better for the law to treat everyone equally than discriminatorily, but for a government (in this instance, state governments) to apply this “fix” to its bad laws reminds me of its infinite loop of attempts to fix economic problems caused by its intervention with more intervention. No, I don’t foresee an infinite loop of marriage laws, so it isn’t quite the same.

I’d rather have equal marriage laws than unequal marriage laws in the time being before we can repeal all marriage laws, but the latter is the true libertarian goal, not the former.

Yes, libertarians are excellent at coming up with situations that will never exist in our lifetimes and suggesting solutions that will never be applied…

Another bad type of self-described libertarian is the type who wants the central government to effect its supposedly libertarian goals across the entire nation when local and state governments won’t comply. Like those who want a Constitutional amendment for gay marriage instead of changing/repealing the laws of their state.

]]> By: KipEsquire http://www.blagnet.net/2009/04/21/discrimination-is-usuallly-fine/comment-page-1/#comment-1402 KipEsquire Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:24:54 +0000 http://www.blagnet.net/2009/04/21/discrimination-is-usuallly-fine/#comment-1402 It's always surprising (i.e., disappointing) to hear supposed libertarians who NEVER gave a hoot in heck about the Civil Rights Act and private discrimination suddenly find their indignation when it's GAYS who start demanding equal treatment under discrimination law. These are the same supposed libertarians who never uttered a peep about "government should get out of the marriage business" until it was GAYS who started demanding equal treatment under marriage law. Etc. What true libertarians realize is that given, ex ante, that these laws exist, the only moral position is to craft and apply them equitably. Therefore, if you're going to offer heightened protection to insular minorities (and, for better or worse, we ARE offering it), then simple logic demands that gays be included in the mix. It’s always surprising (i.e., disappointing) to hear supposed libertarians who NEVER gave a hoot in heck about the Civil Rights Act and private discrimination suddenly find their indignation when it’s GAYS who start demanding equal treatment under discrimination law.

These are the same supposed libertarians who never uttered a peep about “government should get out of the marriage business” until it was GAYS who started demanding equal treatment under marriage law.

Etc.

What true libertarians realize is that given, ex ante, that these laws exist, the only moral position is to craft and apply them equitably. Therefore, if you’re going to offer heightened protection to insular minorities (and, for better or worse, we ARE offering it), then simple logic demands that gays be included in the mix.

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